tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796962133576484410.post3248905805694754158..comments2023-06-08T10:33:07.787+01:00Comments on The Sun - Tabloid Lies: Kelvin MacKenzie vs the Manchester Congestion ChargeTimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796962133576484410.post-303796148812386352008-12-06T15:16:00.000+00:002008-12-06T15:16:00.000+00:00Peter is drunk on Clarkson froth methinks.A good i...Peter is drunk on Clarkson froth methinks.<BR/><BR/>A good idea is a good idea.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796962133576484410.post-12769498334904392112008-12-06T00:33:00.000+00:002008-12-06T00:33:00.000+00:00Peter:It's telling that you refer to me as a "misg...Peter:<BR/><BR/>It's telling that you refer to me as a "<I>misguided supporter of higher taxes</I>" as it clearly shows than you would rather fall back on personal attacks that debating what I have said. The "higher taxes" only apply if you choose to drive within Manchester city centre or within the M60 when there are more than reasonable alternatives, given that it is a big city with decent public transport. You make the choice, you take the consequences. Just wondering, have you travelled within central Manchester? If so, where, when and how did you travel within it?<BR/><BR/>"<I>The charge does not include the motorways; it starts at the boundary of the motorway.</I>" I refer you to the Wikipedia map that I linked to. The M602 (nee M64) and A57 (M) reach further inside Greater Manchester than the M60 does and so fall within the charging area. In any event, the M60 is more of a Manchester ring road/M25.<BR/><BR/>You admit it does improve public health and so argue against yourself. <BR/><BR/>As for your other point, there is a lot more traffic within London than Manchester, but the evidence shows that it does lead to less traffic.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351343507770814926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796962133576484410.post-37634057703888835222008-12-05T14:07:00.000+00:002008-12-05T14:07:00.000+00:00Another rant from a misguided supporter of higher ...Another rant from a misguided supporter of higher taxes.<BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/><BR/>"In any event, the charge does cover motorways so he's wrong on this as well". <BR/><BR/>The charge does not include the motorways; it starts at the boundary of the motorway.<BR/><BR/>You say:<BR/><BR/>"By the way, he doesn't mention the fact that since the charge was introduced in London traffic levels have decreased"<BR/><BR/>Manchester traffic levels have fallen more than London without a charge and London was falling before the charge was introduced.<BR/><BR/>Wrong again.<BR/><BR/>You go on to say:<BR/><BR/>"and life expectancy has improved"<BR/><BR/>Yep this is true - the report says by 2.36hrs. Big deal.<BR/><BR/>Typical of the ill-informed and misguided supporters of this ill conceived scheme.Peter Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02898133785432284789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796962133576484410.post-28682933192748066362008-12-05T10:26:00.000+00:002008-12-05T10:26:00.000+00:00Being a bit of a petrol-head, it pains me to see c...Being a bit of a petrol-head, it pains me to see congestion charges and the like.<BR/>If they're going to be apposed it's go to be done properly and not by muppets like Mackenzie.<BR/><BR/>In my non-petrol-head mode, I can't really justify apposing them as i)I don't live near any of these zones and ii) if I was going to drive for fun it wouldn't be in a busy congested area anyway.Sim-Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05194980139358025245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796962133576484410.post-26195067093257702008-12-05T09:26:00.000+00:002008-12-05T09:26:00.000+00:00Excellent post, I'm tired of mis information adn t...Excellent post, I'm tired of mis information adn the car lobby having a clear run of attack, on what is quite frankly, a non-brainer.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.com